<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><!-- generator="wordpress/2.2.2" -->
<rss version="2.0" 
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/">
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Like it or not, it is the MySQL Conference and Expo</title>
	<link>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/</link>
	<description>Stay curious!</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 03:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2</generator>

	<item>
		<title>By: Nathaniel</title>
		<link>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14480</link>
		<author>Nathaniel</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14480</guid>
		<description>I have been involved with a couple of attempts to organize virtual events, always involving people that spend large amounts of time on the computer anyway. They were not fun for me, and I agree that meeting and talking to real people is the real need. We all need to get away from the monitor more, and interact with people more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been involved with a couple of attempts to organize virtual events, always involving people that spend large amounts of time on the computer anyway. They were not fun for me, and I agree that meeting and talking to real people is the real need. We all need to get away from the monitor more, and interact with people more.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Xaprb</title>
		<link>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14478</link>
		<author>Xaprb</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14478</guid>
		<description>Thanks everyone for your comments.  A few follow-up comments, all with "IMO" appended invisibly:

I encourage you to join the Google Group Arjen mentioned.

Sponsors are good.  There were sponsors at the PG conference.  What's important is where the initiative, responsibility, and authority is vested.

I'm not anti-MySQL, but we as a community are too dependent on MySQL.  It's not healthy for anyone.  I think MySQL's management recognize this, which is good.

The un-conferences I've attended (MySQL Camp 1 and 2) were organized by MySQL, and Camp 3 never happened partially because everyone waited for MySQL to organize it.

I wouldn't be interested in a virtual conference.  I'm virtual all year; I want to meet people for real.  No offense, but I won't go near Second Life :-)

To Zach's point, I think the community will need to take responsibility to meet their own needs.

More about community in later posts.  I'll close this comment by saying the best thing that happened when I attended the PostgreSQL conference was that it brought the MySQL world into sharp focus for me.  It was really eye-opening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everyone for your comments.  A few follow-up comments, all with &#8220;IMO&#8221; appended invisibly:</p>
<p>I encourage you to join the Google Group Arjen mentioned.</p>
<p>Sponsors are good.  There were sponsors at the PG conference.  What&#8217;s important is where the initiative, responsibility, and authority is vested.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not anti-MySQL, but we as a community are too dependent on MySQL.  It&#8217;s not healthy for anyone.  I think MySQL&#8217;s management recognize this, which is good.</p>
<p>The un-conferences I&#8217;ve attended (MySQL Camp 1 and 2) were organized by MySQL, and Camp 3 never happened partially because everyone waited for MySQL to organize it.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be interested in a virtual conference.  I&#8217;m virtual all year; I want to meet people for real.  No offense, but I won&#8217;t go near Second Life :-)</p>
<p>To Zach&#8217;s point, I think the community will need to take responsibility to meet their own needs.</p>
<p>More about community in later posts.  I&#8217;ll close this comment by saying the best thing that happened when I attended the PostgreSQL conference was that it brought the MySQL world into sharp focus for me.  It was really eye-opening.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ZUrlocker</title>
		<link>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14477</link>
		<author>ZUrlocker</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14477</guid>
		<description>Baron,
as Marten mentioned we have also participated in "un conferences" like the MySQL Camp that we put on twice, once in the bay area and once in New York.  Those didn't cost anything and though they had MySQL participation, we simply got the ball rolling.

Also the MySQL Conference (by whatever name!) is actually jointly operated by MySQL and O'Reilly.  While it is a business (O'Reilly wants to make money off it) we try to run it on a breakeven budget for MySQL, and sometimes we make money and sometimes we don't.   The name change occurred a couple of years ago and this was based on a suggestion from O'Reilly to showcase the expo.  The focus has not changed though and we very much see it as a conference for our users, as well as our partners, our customers and a showcase of what we're working on.  

But we're thrilled if there are other events that also pop up to meet the needs of our community of users.

--Zack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baron,<br />
as Marten mentioned we have also participated in &#8220;un conferences&#8221; like the MySQL Camp that we put on twice, once in the bay area and once in New York.  Those didn&#8217;t cost anything and though they had MySQL participation, we simply got the ball rolling.</p>
<p>Also the MySQL Conference (by whatever name!) is actually jointly operated by MySQL and O&#8217;Reilly.  While it is a business (O&#8217;Reilly wants to make money off it) we try to run it on a breakeven budget for MySQL, and sometimes we make money and sometimes we don&#8217;t.   The name change occurred a couple of years ago and this was based on a suggestion from O&#8217;Reilly to showcase the expo.  The focus has not changed though and we very much see it as a conference for our users, as well as our partners, our customers and a showcase of what we&#8217;re working on.  </p>
<p>But we&#8217;re thrilled if there are other events that also pop up to meet the needs of our community of users.</p>
<p>&#8211;Zack</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Arjen Lentz</title>
		<link>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14476</link>
		<author>Arjen Lentz</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14476</guid>
		<description>http://groups.google.com/group/oursql-conference</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/oursql-conference" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group/oursql-conference</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Peter Zaitsev</title>
		<link>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14475</link>
		<author>Peter Zaitsev</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14475</guid>
		<description>Thanks for sharing your thoughts Baron.

Indeed I think the conferences represented interests of MySQL corporate entity rather than users which needs to know the dark side as well.

As MySQL User I would like to see presentations such as "Migrating from MySQL to PostgreSQL" (not other way around) - to know what pains people had with MySQL and how other solutions solved them etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts Baron.</p>
<p>Indeed I think the conferences represented interests of MySQL corporate entity rather than users which needs to know the dark side as well.</p>
<p>As MySQL User I would like to see presentations such as &#8220;Migrating from MySQL to PostgreSQL&#8221; (not other way around) - to know what pains people had with MySQL and how other solutions solved them etc.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nicklas Westerlund</title>
		<link>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14474</link>
		<author>Nicklas Westerlund</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14474</guid>
		<description>Actually, the idea is pretty good - if there is enough people willing to donate of their time to help organize it. 

I know for sure that I can help out, I've got prior experience in doing such things, so it would be fun. I'll say like Sheeri: "sign me up. :)"

A conference for users, by users, would be absolutely lovely :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the idea is pretty good - if there is enough people willing to donate of their time to help organize it. </p>
<p>I know for sure that I can help out, I&#8217;ve got prior experience in doing such things, so it would be fun. I&#8217;ll say like Sheeri: &#8220;sign me up. :)&#8221;</p>
<p>A conference for users, by users, would be absolutely lovely :-)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sheeri K. Cabral</title>
		<link>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14473</link>
		<author>Sheeri K. Cabral</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14473</guid>
		<description>It's a great idea, but I'm not in a place where I can devote time into being a core organizer of a conference.  I can provide logistical support if needed.  Conferences do take a lot of time and effort to plan and carry out, and many require cash up front.

Also, I am part of Technocation, Inc., a not-for-profit organization whose mission is to provide educational resources for IT professionals.  Being a volunteer for a not-for-profit lets you in doors that might be otherwise closed; let me know if you want official backing.

I also do not believe that you have to take the corporation out of it to be a successful conference that focuses on users.  Sun heavily sponsored the New England Database Day, http://db.csail.mit.edu/nedbday08/ as did other companies.

I do have plenty of opinions on the matter as well, so if there's a list, sign me up.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a great idea, but I&#8217;m not in a place where I can devote time into being a core organizer of a conference.  I can provide logistical support if needed.  Conferences do take a lot of time and effort to plan and carry out, and many require cash up front.</p>
<p>Also, I am part of Technocation, Inc., a not-for-profit organization whose mission is to provide educational resources for IT professionals.  Being a volunteer for a not-for-profit lets you in doors that might be otherwise closed; let me know if you want official backing.</p>
<p>I also do not believe that you have to take the corporation out of it to be a successful conference that focuses on users.  Sun heavily sponsored the New England Database Day, <a href="http://db.csail.mit.edu/nedbday08/" rel="nofollow">http://db.csail.mit.edu/nedbday08/</a> as did other companies.</p>
<p>I do have plenty of opinions on the matter as well, so if there&#8217;s a list, sign me up.  :)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mark Schoonover</title>
		<link>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14472</link>
		<author>Mark Schoonover</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14472</guid>
		<description>Baron,

I've been thinking about this same thing for the last couple of weeks, since I couldn't attend this year. One of the ideas I've been brainstorming is creating a user conference in Second Life. I was thinking it would be database agnostic, meaning we could do not just MySQL, but all the other open source databases as well. There would be different tracks for each database, all organized much like an in person conference.

Plenty of technical details to work out, but this could be a global user conference running 24x7 for as many days as we'd like. It could be very cost effective too, since there's no flying around, staying/eating in hotels, etc. Simply attend from the comfort of your own computer, wherever you are in the world.

I'd be willing to organize such an event, with the help of experienced Second Life users/members to assist with the technical details. This would clearly meet “by, for, and of the community”.

-- Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baron,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about this same thing for the last couple of weeks, since I couldn&#8217;t attend this year. One of the ideas I&#8217;ve been brainstorming is creating a user conference in Second Life. I was thinking it would be database agnostic, meaning we could do not just MySQL, but all the other open source databases as well. There would be different tracks for each database, all organized much like an in person conference.</p>
<p>Plenty of technical details to work out, but this could be a global user conference running 24&#215;7 for as many days as we&#8217;d like. It could be very cost effective too, since there&#8217;s no flying around, staying/eating in hotels, etc. Simply attend from the comfort of your own computer, wherever you are in the world.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be willing to organize such an event, with the help of experienced Second Life users/members to assist with the technical details. This would clearly meet “by, for, and of the community”.</p>
<p>&#8211; Mark</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Marten Mickos</title>
		<link>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14471</link>
		<author>Marten Mickos</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14471</guid>
		<description>Baron,

We have had a few "unconferences" around MySQL over the years and I think they fit your definition. Many MySQL employees participated, but the events were not specifically organised by the company behind MySQL, they had no exhibitors, and they didn't cost a lot (in fact, they were free as in free of charge).

I will here and now express my support for such events. But although I represent the corporate entity behind MySQL, I hope that you and others don't see my support as an attempt to change the notion of "by, for, and of the community".

Marten</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baron,</p>
<p>We have had a few &#8220;unconferences&#8221; around MySQL over the years and I think they fit your definition. Many MySQL employees participated, but the events were not specifically organised by the company behind MySQL, they had no exhibitors, and they didn&#8217;t cost a lot (in fact, they were free as in free of charge).</p>
<p>I will here and now express my support for such events. But although I represent the corporate entity behind MySQL, I hope that you and others don&#8217;t see my support as an attempt to change the notion of &#8220;by, for, and of the community&#8221;.</p>
<p>Marten</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Arjen Lentz</title>
		<link>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14470</link>
		<author>Arjen Lentz</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/04/23/like-it-or-not-it-is-the-mysql-conference-and-expo/#comment-14470</guid>
		<description>By the way, I call it "MySQL Conf" because it's nice and short. As someone else noted, the "Users" bit was dropped earlier... and the expo was added. But it's just an unwieldy name to use casually, that's the only reason. I otherwise have no objection to using the full name, a name is what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I call it &#8220;MySQL Conf&#8221; because it&#8217;s nice and short. As someone else noted, the &#8220;Users&#8221; bit was dropped earlier&#8230; and the expo was added. But it&#8217;s just an unwieldy name to use casually, that&#8217;s the only reason. I otherwise have no objection to using the full name, a name is what it is.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
