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	<title>Comments on: Why is PostgreSQL getting dramatically more patches?</title>
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		<title>By: Jay Pipes</title>
		<link>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/05/22/why-is-postgresql-getting-dramatically-more-patches/#comment-14693</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Pipes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathaniel,

The free (as in beer) version of BK doesn&#039;t have even basic functionality such as merge and diff, so it&#039;s really a non-starter for getting true contributions from the community.  Even though LP is non-free, it&#039;s built on top of open, full featured FOSS products, and is fully functional.

-jay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathaniel,</p>
<p>The free (as in beer) version of BK doesn&#8217;t have even basic functionality such as merge and diff, so it&#8217;s really a non-starter for getting true contributions from the community.  Even though LP is non-free, it&#8217;s built on top of open, full featured FOSS products, and is fully functional.</p>
<p>-jay</p>
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		<title>By: Nathaniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay,

Doesn&#039;t using Launchpad sort of stick you right back into a similar situation  as exists with bitkeeper? Is there another reason that I don&#039;t know of why you recommend getting off bitkeeper, besides that it isn&#039;t Free Software? I know that a lot of Free Software advocates are not happy about LP being non-free. There is some push to make it free, but I don&#039;t think that Canonical has any plans to do so, or at least I am unaware of any (no surprise since I&#039;m not very informed about these things).

I&#039;m just wondering, and I&#039;ll happily listen to your response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t using Launchpad sort of stick you right back into a similar situation  as exists with bitkeeper? Is there another reason that I don&#8217;t know of why you recommend getting off bitkeeper, besides that it isn&#8217;t Free Software? I know that a lot of Free Software advocates are not happy about LP being non-free. There is some push to make it free, but I don&#8217;t think that Canonical has any plans to do so, or at least I am unaware of any (no surprise since I&#8217;m not very informed about these things).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just wondering, and I&#8217;ll happily listen to your response.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Pipes</title>
		<link>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/05/22/why-is-postgresql-getting-dramatically-more-patches/#comment-14642</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Pipes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lukas, I couldn&#039;t agree with you more. :)

Things that need to change to get MySQL contributions increased:

* Determine whether to use the SCA
* Get onto bzr and off of bitkeeper
* Open up the roadmap for community additions (I am working on this now...)
* Use Launchpad for community trees, with full commit access to appropriate community contributors
* Stop our release policies which detriment the community server</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lukas, I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more. :)</p>
<p>Things that need to change to get MySQL contributions increased:</p>
<p>* Determine whether to use the SCA<br />
* Get onto bzr and off of bitkeeper<br />
* Open up the roadmap for community additions (I am working on this now&#8230;)<br />
* Use Launchpad for community trees, with full commit access to appropriate community contributors<br />
* Stop our release policies which detriment the community server</p>
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		<title>By: Lukas</title>
		<link>http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2008/05/22/why-is-postgresql-getting-dramatically-more-patches/#comment-14641</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 12:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well ever since 8.0, PostgreSQL has been gaining speed in their
development. I think EnterpriseDB is partly responsible for this. But I
think its also the increase in transparency in their development process
that is to be &quot;blamed&quot;. A while ago they started a wiki, which at the
beginning was heavily disputed. I worked with several people on recording
planned features etc. This quickly grew to add RFC-style pages for the
planning of new features, quick documentation of new features etc. Today the
wiki has gotten its new home at a more prominent location
(http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Main_Page) due to its success.

Furthermore they have dared to look into improving their overall process of
how patches are reviewed and accepted. In the past patches fell of new
releases just because nobody was able to review the patch before feature
freeze. This of course not only means delayed features, its also a major
contribution turn off. Their most recent innovation is the CommitFest idea
(http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/CommitFest), where they dedidcated
mulltiple intervals at regular times during the development (way before
feature freeeze time) for patch reviewing. That being said, I have stopped
reading the hackers list about a year ago, so I am not as much in tune with
the PostgreSQL community as I was 2 years ago. However I am very excited
with what these guys are going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well ever since 8.0, PostgreSQL has been gaining speed in their<br />
development. I think EnterpriseDB is partly responsible for this. But I<br />
think its also the increase in transparency in their development process<br />
that is to be &#8220;blamed&#8221;. A while ago they started a wiki, which at the<br />
beginning was heavily disputed. I worked with several people on recording<br />
planned features etc. This quickly grew to add RFC-style pages for the<br />
planning of new features, quick documentation of new features etc. Today the<br />
wiki has gotten its new home at a more prominent location<br />
(<a href="http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Main_Page" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Main_Page</a>) due to its success.</p>
<p>Furthermore they have dared to look into improving their overall process of<br />
how patches are reviewed and accepted. In the past patches fell of new<br />
releases just because nobody was able to review the patch before feature<br />
freeze. This of course not only means delayed features, its also a major<br />
contribution turn off. Their most recent innovation is the CommitFest idea<br />
(<a href="http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/CommitFest" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/CommitFest</a>), where they dedidcated<br />
mulltiple intervals at regular times during the development (way before<br />
feature freeeze time) for patch reviewing. That being said, I have stopped<br />
reading the hackers list about a year ago, so I am not as much in tune with<br />
the PostgreSQL community as I was 2 years ago. However I am very excited<br />
with what these guys are going.</p>
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